The Biden Dynasty Exposed | Miranda Devine | EP 386

They abused their authority. They abused the trust that the American people would have in that authority. I just think it's a very dangerous situation where you have this guy who has to be compromised considering all the pies that his family was in and all the millions of dollars that flowed through to his son and his brother and various other family members. You know, how can Joe Biden not be compromised?

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Hello everyone watching and listening! Today I'm discussing something truly explosive, I would say, with columnist and writer Miranda Devine. We're talking about her 2021 book, which should be old news by now but hasn't been well covered enough to be: Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide. We delve into what Hunter Biden inadvertently, unconsciously, or purposefully revealed about his family's business dealings—how they built and maintained the regime. The surreal but comprehensive cover-up by the so-called deep state, enforced and willing collusion with the legacy and social media companies, and the aftermath... yeah, we're not done with that yet—not just for those directly involved, not just American citizens, but for innocent people all across the world find themselves in the midst of political, psychological, and physical warfare. It's quite the episode.

I thought maybe we'd open up with actually the story of the laptop itself because, and we might want to, what might as well walk through this in chronological order. So Hunter brought three laptops, as I understand it, into this laptop shop. Do you want to pick the story up there and we'll wander right through to the point where the New York Post is publishing it and then it's the story isn't covered? We can set the stage for everyone just so they remember exactly what's going on. So do you want to walk us through that story?

Sure, um, so it's April 2019 and late at night, Hunter Biden goes into John Paul Mac Isaac's little computer repair shop in Wilmington. Hunter has been at a cigar shop nearby. He smells of booze. Initially, John Paul Mac Isaac didn't recognize him. He just felt a bit of irritation that someone was coming in with three waterlogged laptops right on closing time. He booked them in and pretty quickly ascertained he couldn't immediately fix any of them. Then, Hunter signed a work order and gave his contact details and went away.

In the next day or two, John Paul Mac Isaac is looking at the three laptops. He's figured out one of them he can just give him a new keyboard, a separate keyboard, and that will work. He figured out something with another one of them. The third one he decided he would have to upload the contents onto his big server and then, you know, give the contents to Hunter on a hard drive. He called Hunter and said, “Can you come in and bring in…” he told him particularly what the hard drive was he wanted and sure enough, the next day Hunter brings the hard drive that he’d asked him to bring. John Paul Mac Isaac gives him the other two laptops, one is a write-off, and one he's given him a keyboard with it. Then Hunter goes away.

John Paul Mac Isaac continues to... it's a very slow process. He said to upload all this information because the battery kept on running out on the laptop so he had to keep on charging it and then restart, and every time he restarted he would have to look on at the material to see where he was up to. That was why he sort of had such a kind of intimate understanding of what was on the laptop. What initially struck him was just there was so much porn on the laptop. That's so... I mean, it's homemade porn. It's Hunter filming himself having sex with various women, filming himself naked and so on. But John Paul Mac Isaac also noticed a lot of business documents, invoices, and a company called Burisma, which popped up a lot.

He completed his work and he called Hunter to come pick up his laptop. He got no response; he was texting him and emailing him. He wanted Hunter to pick up his property and to also pay his $85 bill, and that didn't happen. So 90 days later, as per the work order, the property became his; he owned it now. He just put it on a shelf and didn't think about it anymore. So we're talking about April 2019 and Hunter dropped off this laptop just about a week before his father announced that he would be a candidate for president.

At the time, Hunter was in a rage against his family, absolutely furious with them. At the end of his tether, he felt that Joe's staff that he'd amassed in his campaign were disrespecting him and his father was allowing them to disrespect him. There were stories being briefed to friendly media that Hunter is a basket case, he's a drug addict, you know, he's just a burden that his father has to put up with. As far as Hunter was concerned, how dare they treat him like this and shame him when he felt that he'd supported the entire family, the extended family, for decades? He'd given half his money to Pop, as he raged to his daughter one day he said, “Unlike Pop, I would expect you to give me half your salary.”

That's the context that Hunter dropped off the laptop and never returned to pick it up despite all the incriminating evidence on it— incriminating of his father as much as him.

Okay, so what are we supposed to make of that? Like, I'm trying to understand this. So first of all, I'm thinking about it the way I would think about it if I heard this story from a client.

So the first thing I'd wonder is, the timing is suspect; like why would you drop off those laptops a week before your father announces his run for president? It seems, uh, to call it careless is to barely scrape the surface, especially when you know perfectly well what's on those laptops. Not only this treasure trove of homemade pornography, which is like a highly questionable enterprise in and of itself, you have to wonder actually what motivates someone to continually film himself engaging in sexual activity with all the various hookers that he was consorting with, strippers, and so forth. There's a narcissism about that that's quite remarkable.

But also, there's a vindictive carelessness about it that's also marked because it's not one laptop; it's three. And three is a lot and they're rife with information that's devastating personally. Right? I mean, you wouldn't think you'd be sharing your homemade pornography with the world. And also, there's this immense amount of detail about all of these business enterprises that have been accumulating for decades. What is an observer to make of that? No, is he that addled that he didn't even notice that this was foolish or is there a desire to be caught? Because that's certainly a possibility or is there revenge against his whole family including his father?

I don't know how to make heads or tails of this because it's so utterly preposterous. It's not surprising in some ways, I suppose, that one of the reactions of the broader media was to assume that this couldn't possibly be real because when you read it, I mean, I'm still recovering from reading your book.

I want to delve into that as deeply as possible to establish, let's say, its credibility. But I'm really taken aback by the material that you reported in Laptop from Hell. I don't know what to make of it. I was thinking about what I would do in Joe's position in so far as I'm able to do that. So now I have a son and he's... I'm speaking as Joe here. I have a son and he's a bit of a juvenile delinquent, let's say, except he's not a juvenile. He's 50, so he's about 30 years past the due date on juvenile delinquency and he's racking up a fairly high financial bill on the hooker and cocaine front. The penthouse in Las Vegas? He's acting like the evil son of a Hollywood villain in every possible way. What am I supposed to do with him?

The first thing I would think if I had any sense is, how about I don't put him in a situation where he has more money than God? Because that's the last thing you want to do with someone who's an addict, let's say, especially to something like cocaine. An unlimited supply of money means an unlimited supply of drugs. Then you might think, well, I'm also president and my son is behaving in a way that doesn't exactly shed a positive light on the family but also is dangerous in all sorts of ways. Maybe I shouldn't be taking him on my business trips. Maybe I shouldn't be introducing him to world leaders all over the planet, especially in Russia and China and Ukraine, for example, or in any number of other corrupt countries that we might mention. Maybe I should have him for his own good supervised, you know, and for the country's good so that he straightens himself out and doesn't get in a tremendous amount of trouble instead of enabling him at every turn.

And then what? Tangling us up in Ukraine in a way that's morally hazardous to say the least? I look at the situation in Ukraine. I read your book. I looked at Hunter Biden's dealings with Burisma. I think, well, is there a 5% overlap between the Bidens' financial interests and the fact that we're in a bloody war? Or a 1% overlap? Because the right amount of overlap is absolutely zero when we're talking about war with Russia.

So you've been through this; you've been living it for a long time. What position did you start with when you started assessing the laptop material and what happened to you in the way you were looking at things as you walked through it?

Yeah, look, I sort of came to it disgusted, I guess, because opening up the laptop, there’s just so much sordid material there. I ended feeling sorry for Hunter and feeling utter contempt for Joe Biden and also feeling that Joe Biden is a really bad person. As you said, what kind of a loving father puts his addicted son in front of a torrent of unaccountable cash? And that’s what he did. It wasn't that he was just enabling Hunter; Hunter was an integral part of the family influence peddling business. Hunter was the bagman.

You know, there's a video where you can see taken quite some time ago, Hunter is quite young. Every job that Hunter had, every university position that he had was due to his father. He didn't have the marks to get into Yale Law School, and so favors were done. His first job out of college was at a wildly inflated salary for one of Joe's donors in Delaware, and from his salary, he complained that he had to pay not just his college fees off but also his brother’s. That was the way Joe worked it.

He posed as the poorest man in Congress while living a champagne lifestyle, while not really having any bills to pay—the usual bills that normal middle-class families worry about, like helping their children get through, get to the, you know, the best college they can and somehow paying the bills, getting them to private schools, getting the grandkids into the same thing, internships, judgeships, fellowships, cushy government jobs; you name it, all of these things were there for the taking for Joe's extended family.

And you know, I know that Joe Biden spent his entire life building this mythology around himself that he's a good family man, a devout Catholic, modest Joe, working-class Joe, lunch pail Joe, and it's all a lie. I mean, the family part, I think, is intriguing because Joe Biden's always had a fascination or a desire to be like the Kennedy clan, and so he's constructed a life and a family sort of image that's very similar to that.

There was a fascinating interview that he did with Kitty Kelly when he was just newly in the Senate, newly widowed, and he was very cocky. She said he dressed like Great Gatsby, you know, Gatsby-esque, very well dressed. He would talk about himself as having had the greatest wife that any man could have had and their sex life was just brilliant and no man’s ever experienced that, and not in a sort of a mournful way but in a boastful way.

He sort of talked about himself in a way that, you know, like he said, Rose Kennedy, the Kennedy matriarch keeps on inviting him over for dinner but he's too busy and, you know, sort of boasting that the Kennedys are his friends and that they're throwing themselves at him, but he sort of fobs them off.

He’s a very peculiar person and he has always... it’s not just that he’s cognitively challenged now and he tells lies and tall stories; he's always lived in this kind of delusional fantasy world where he sort of self-aggrandizes and creates these stories about himself as the conquering hero even if he never was in the place. Like he was never with Nelson Mandela or he was never at Ground Zero or all these places that he puts himself in.

And I don't even know if he really understands what he's doing, but it's a pathology. So I think to myself about someone like Hunter, you know, this little motherless boy who's a bit ADHD, a bit hyperactive, very smart, and he has this father who's mercurial and not there very often and has this huge job that's obviously more important, and the entire family revolves around Joe and it always has.

His mother put Joe on a pedestal and all the siblings' roles were to serve Joe. So Joe, as an adult, that's the way his own family behaves. Then there's the stepmother, Jill Biden, who comes in when Hunter’s around about eight or nine who doesn’t—Hunter anyway feels—who doesn’t like him. She loves Bo, his older brother by one year, but she doesn’t, Hunter feels that she just doesn’t like him. So that's a huge burden.

And if a father that lies all the time, I'm sure broke promises all the time, is very destabilizing. And you know, another example of Joe's cynical exploitation of his family is that he had just been—won an election to be a senator, right? This was the biggest thing in his life and his family's life. He was only 29 years old; he was 30 by the time he was sworn in, the youngest senator. And his wife dies in a car crash tragically just a few days before Christmas while he's away in Washington, and their baby daughter is also killed and Hunter and his brother Bo are like two and three years old.

They're very badly injured, and so this is just a devastating blow over this young senator-elect. He ends up being sworn in at the hospital bed of his children. He invites all the world’s photographers into this hospital room and he sets up a podium there and he’s sworn in and all the photographs show in the foreground these poor little motherless boys, bandaged. Hunter has a brain injury; his brother Bo has a broken leg. They’re just listlessly lying in bed while in the background their father is being sworn in.

I just, you know, that photograph touched the heart of everybody. You would have to be completely heartless not to feel great sympathy for this poor widower and his poor little boys, right? But you also might be wondering why that photo op is staged that way if you were particularly cynical and curious.

Exactly, and that’s what I came to think afterward—how cynical it was of him to do that, and he's used that photograph in every campaign since. It takes on a new, very sinister light, I think.

Well, okay. So I want to return to the laptop; I want to talk about Mac Isaac and his attempts to bring the laptop to the attention of the FBI and then the eventual press response. But before we do that, I want to delve a little bit more into Hunter and his business acumen. So, you know, I've had a lot more economic opportunities put in front of me in the last four or five years, and that makes interacting with my family allow us a lot more opportunities.

But it's also complex because once you have a lot of opportunities personally, it's hard to know exactly how many opportunities to offer your family members, let’s say, your children, because you want to offer them opportunity but you want them to stand up on their own two feet and to do things for themselves. When I was reading your book I was thinking okay well Joe is in a position to offer Hunter opportunities and people do that for their children. As your opportunities multiply, it gets harder to draw exactly the lines.

But you don't want to put your kids in a position where their opportunities exceed their capabilities. So what I kept wondering when I was reading the book was, well, Hunter is being put in front of all these international leaders, business people. If you were going to make a case for Hunter's business acumen and ability, how would you do that? Because it looked to me like the opportunities were not proportionate to the ability.

I couldn't tell what it was that Hunter had to offer apart from access to his father. If you were trying to defend him, you know, in good faith, he has a legal degree! He has a legal degree from Yale. He's intelligent, by your own admission. It's like, why isn't the story that Hunter is running his business affairs as an independent individual? Why isn't that an acceptable story if it's not?

Look, I mean, I think that the business really wasn't a business. I mean, they didn't have a product; they weren't manufacturing anything. The business was influence. It was contact with his father. At one point, his uncle, Jim, Joe Biden’s younger brother, decided that they were going to go into the business of selling gas from Louisiana, from Monkey Island, to the Chinese.

There was something—it’s all sort of business deals and there were always other people, Hunter’s business partners, who took care of the sort of pesky details, like setting up a business and doing the due diligence for it and so on. That was something Tony Bobulinski was brought in to try and legitimize what they were doing. But the fact is, Hunter was not interested in business; he found it incredibly boring.

What he had always wanted to be was an artist or a writer. Look, I mean, he’s now both. You know, he’s written his memoir and he’s also doing paintings. I know that’s a grift in itself and the way the White House has handled that has been appalling. The art world is known for money laundering and so on. So it’s not the wisest choice, but still, I mean, my sister’s a good artist and she looked at Hunter’s art and she said it’s good.

So there is something there. I mean, you know, and he’s—the reason I feel sorry for him is I think that this is someone who has been utterly crushed, you know, by his father—not really crushed, but sort of manipulated by his father. I guess it’s to his credit that he really hasn’t been crushed. I mean, his freedom is expressed itself in this sort of malevolent way that he's just so destructive to everybody around him and into his addictions and his utter selfishness.

You know, this is someone whose father treated him as a spare, as, you know, the bagman, just for utility, because the oldest son, Bo, was the golden child who also was being treated as an object in a way, as sort of the apple of his father’s eye who was going to continue the dynasty—the dynastic ambitions of Joe Biden and become president after Joe.

So, okay, so you pointed to something fairly specific there, you know, because I said, well, you know, how do you if you’re trying to offer your children opportunities, how do you justify that? And one of the things you alluded to was, well, you look for where their talents genuinely lie and try to align the opportunities with those talents. You pointed out that Hunter can write and maybe he's got some artistic ability. I've looked at his paintings and they could be a lot worse than they are.

Like, I see some talent there. The prices that are being commanded for them are, well, the art world is a very strange place so we won’t say too much about that. But you point out that as far as you can tell on the business front, which is what we're speaking about, there is actually no business there. And so I have my children involved in my business affairs—my daughter is running this new enterprise that we hope to turn into an online university, and my son runs a software company—but they've done the bulk of the work on both of those projects and they’re actual projects, they have an actual, there’s an actual product there, we have actual customers, we’re actual businesses.

And I don’t feel that I’ve smoothed the road for them in an appropriate way because all of these opportunities would have been sitting there languishing if they wouldn’t have taken the ball and seriously run with it. And so that’s what you want to do if you have opportunities at hand for your kids is you try to figure out a situation where if they work hard and act appropriately then they’re going to benefit and hopefully bring benefit to other people at the same time and then there’s no cost in that to anyone.

And when I was reading your book, I was trying to give Hunter the benefit of the doubt partly for the reasons that you describe. You know, he's had the whole family’s had their fair share of tragedies and you have to write that into the story, but for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what in the world he could have possibly been selling except for alliance with the family name, and Joe should have regarded that as an extreme moral hazard.

And we should all regard that at the moment, as I said earlier, as a bloody extreme moral hazard given that we're at war with Russia for all intents and purposes, and that's not a little thing. The fact that the Biden family was tangled up in Ukraine in all sorts of interesting ways, let's put it that way. And that we’re now at war and, and also an extremely expensive war, I might add, where tens of billions of dollars are being dumped into an unbelievably corrupt country with like no virtually no oversight.

Because if you think there's oversight in Ukraine, there’s something wrong with your head. Everyone's known forever that that's a remarkably corrupt country even by Eastern European standards—which is really saying something. And so why is it that why is it do you think that in order for there to be a real scandal there has to be absolutely documented evidence that some of the money that was definitely paid to Hunter by foreign agents had to be funneled directly to Joe?

Otherwise, he's completely innocent? We can just go on as if nothing’s happening? That doesn't strike me as reasonable?

Totally agree. I mean, it's one of the narratives that's being crafted to protect him, and that is, you know, the White House has changed from Joe saying, you know, I knew nothing about my son’s overseas business dealings to now they're saying, oh, Joe wasn’t in business with his son.

This was after Devon Archer testified and Devon had to be very, very careful because he’s facing jail himself and he has a lawyer, a pro bono lawyer who’s very close with the Bidens, so he had to be careful in what he said. But what he said was that the brand was Joe Biden and that Joe was on the speakerphone with Hunter at least 20 times when they were having the meetings, you know, trying to—trying to—well, if the brand wasn’t Joe Biden, then what the hell was the brand?

Because I don’t see any evidence that Hunter Biden had a brand. What the New York Times and The Washington Post, etc., want is they're saying, oh, there has to be a check with Joe's name on it signed by a corrupt oligarch for anybody to even open their eyes and say that Joe did something wrong.

I mean, yeah, I don’t think so. That’s not something that the people who are investigating—that’s not a road that the people who are investigating this should walk down. The right road, as far as I can tell, is to say, hey, look folks, we’re in a really dangerous war with Russia and no one will say we are because we’re all winking and nodding and pretending that it’s Ukraine, but we know what the hell’s going on fundamentally.

And there’s some chance that part of the reason that we’re in this war is because things that weren't exactly straight were going on with the president’s son.

Yeah. And, you know, Victor Shokin blames—he blames Joe Biden for some reason, Obama outsourced foreign policy to Joe Biden—no idea why, but that’s what he did. Joe Biden was the guy standing on the tarmac when Xi Jinping arrived in America. Joe Biden was the guy who went to Ukraine, you know, seven or eight times.

And I mean, the Ukrainians even were a bit insulted that Obama didn’t bother ever going to Ukraine. So a lot of Ukrainians, Victor Shokin being one of them, say that they were told at that time and Poroshenko told Shokin this, that the Americans—and that means Biden—said, "Look, don’t do anything. We are going to deal with this diplomatically."

Well, they didn't deal with it diplomatically. I don't know whether— I mean, Bob Gates, the previous, you know, high-ranking Bush and then Obama Secretary of Defense said that Joe Biden's been wrong about every foreign policy issue ever.

I don't know whether that's because he's a bumbling fool or whether it's because he's compromised in some fashion. He always puts his own interests first. And so now we have a situation where Russia was so demonized and completely falsely during the Trump administration, where the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax was happening.

People like Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat head of the intelligence committee, were boldly saying that Donald Trump was an agent of Vladimir Putin—he was a Russian agent. None of that was true. But it sort of does a job of demonizing Russia in the eyes of the American people.

And, you know, I mean, Russia is completely to blame for having invaded Ukraine this time, but Putin would have seen an opportunity because, of course, the last time Joe Biden was in charge of policy for Ukraine, they invaded Crimea and nothing happened.

So I just think it's a very dangerous situation where you have this guy who has to be compromised considering all the pies that his family was in and all the millions of dollars that flowed through to his son and his brother and various other family members from all these different countries that are our adversaries.

You know, how can Joe Biden not be compromised?

Well, that's a good place to end, I would say. We're going to do another half an hour, everyone who's watching and listening on the Daily Wire Plus platform. I don't know exactly what I'm going to talk to Miranda about when we get there, but you can come over there and find out.

And for all of you who are watching and listening, you know, thank you very much for that. Miranda, that's quite the book, Laptop from Hell. For those of you again who are watching and listening, you might want to go read that and, you know, draw your own conclusions because it's something you should be investigating and thinking about, especially because there's an election upcoming in, you know, about a year and it's going to be an important one.

Because things are quite the mess and they could easily get worse and you might want to know what the hell's going on.

So let's sum up. Well, what do we see here? Well, Hunter left his laptop very carelessly a week before his father announced his run for presidency. Three waterlogged laptops just in case one wasn't enough.

So that's three and that's quite a lot actually. And then a guy who really had no public exposure at all and no desire for it cottons on to what was on the laptop and tried to get it to the relevant authorities. And that was difficult, as it turned out, even though he went to the press and you’d think they’d be all over it.

And he finally got Giuliani interested and Giuliani got the New York Post interested and then that story broke soon before the previous election date and then it was shut down. It was shut down because of fascist collusion between Facebook, Twitter and the Deep State fundamentally.

And it was blamed on Russia collusion and then 51 former security and intelligence officials wrote a letter stating that this had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign, even though they’d never seen it—they didn’t investigate it—and that was all a lie.

And that was just before the election, which was decided by a hair—after that, Trump claimed that the election was stolen. He claimed it at a level of detail, but I don't know what a sensible person is supposed to think about the fact that the two biggest social media empires in the world shut down the New York Post story damaging the Biden family on the grounds of the laptop that Hunter himself left at a Delaware computer repair shop.

That's where we're at.

All right, we’ll see everybody on the Daily Wire side. Thank you very much, Miranda, much appreciated.