One Night at Mar-a-Lago | Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

And I ended up going to Mar-a-Lago with Amarilis, my daughter-in-law, who runs my campaign, and we sat down with, uh, with Don Jr. and with, uh, with President Trump and Susie Wild's campaign manager for several hours and talked through these issues. We agreed to do a Unity campaign like they have in Europe, where there are coalitions. You Don’t give up your own independence or your capacity to criticize your allies on things with which you don't agree with them. He was very agreeable to that.

On the issues that we don't agree on, I would continue to criticize him, and he could criticize me without penalty to our alliance. The issues that we did agree on, he agreed to make them priorities and to involve me in some way in helping to choose the new government and emphasizing the policies that I was concerned about. The three policies were children's health, the chronic disease epidemic, which involves the food system, and getting the corruption out of the public health agencies, out of USDA.

Secondly, handling the censorship and surveillance. And number three, ending the warfare—ending the Ukraine war immediately. All of those are big issues he had come to on his own, and I think he appreciated my insight on some of those issues and my passion and knowledge about them. He welcomed my involvement.

One of the things you asked me about what I discovered about President Trump is that he said a number of things that were very illuminating. One is that he, Donald Jr., and JD Vance were absolutely filled with extraordinary antipathy toward what the neocons have done to our country. I was surprised at how knowledgeable they were and how passionate. JD Vance is a soldier, and his understanding of the neocons comes from his own service abroad and military experience.

Then, Donald Trump Jr. I don't know exactly how he came to his antagonism toward them, but it was very heartfelt. That gave me a lot of confidence as well, knowing he’s surrounded by people close to him, in his family, who are going to be involved in his administration, and who agree with me. We talked at that time about the possibility of bringing Tulsi onto the team, and they were very welcoming of that idea.

Another one who had tremendous trouble with the Democrats was Tulsi. She was the deputy director of the Democratic National Committee four years ago, and she was a core Democrat presidential candidate, a formidable figure, and somebody I personally like a lot and have had a very friendly relationship with. He also mentioned something to me that last time I was in, you know, in 2016. He said, "I was, uh, we got elected. We didn't really expect that to happen," obviously, not prepared for it.

He said, "We launched the transition committee in January, and I was immediately surrounded by businesspeople and lobbyists saying, 'You pick this guy, pick that guy.'" And he said, "I did what they said." He later came to regret it, saying a lot of those people were bad people. You know how he talks about that; he said they were bad people. He stated, "I don't want to do that this time. I want to do something completely different," and said, "We're going to launch a transition committee starting this week."

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So normally, the transition committee is paid for by the general accounting office, and you don’t launch until after the election. But, with him, he got private donors to pay for the transition committee, starting it four or five months early so they can actually put a government in place. Another thing he said is, you know, one of the big complaints against President Trump has been that he’s sort of a captive of the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. He said to me, "Project 2025, they keep trying to stick that to me, and I’ve never read it. I never heard of it until people started telling me that I was behind it."

He said, "It was written by a right-wing..." this is what he said to me, "there are left-wing and right-wing elements. That was written by a right-wing." In that way, he kind of disavowed the ideological pigeonhole that they’re trying to put him in. I think his administration is going to be really interesting because, like you said, he's surrounded by people who are entrepreneurial, who really are common-sense individuals wanting to do the right thing for our country.

I also came to understand President Trump in a different light. It's easy for me to understand because I’ve been vilified and demonized by the press. The view of me across the liberal landscape is that I’m this really insane, crazy person, and many people take that as gospel, as reality. I think a lot of the things that have been said about President Trump are the same. There are things that are propaganda tropes, simplistic characterizations that miss some of the richness of his character and personality.

Well, that seems to be especially the case now that he has this quite remarkable team around him. So, let me steelman the Democrats for a second and tell me what you think of this: I have a number of Democrat contacts, and they've been making a case to me that things have genuinely shifted since Harris took the reins. They point to relatively less emphasis being placed at the DNC on the climate crisis and carbon dioxide, as well as a relative shelving or siloing of the more radical leftist movement within the Democrats, which, in my experience, they've declined to even admit exists.

This has been a kind of blindness that, to me, is nothing short of miraculous. Is it possible that there is a shift towards the center in the Democrat Party since Harris took the reins? Do you have any hope in that regard or was your personal experience with their machinations and the problems that you detailed so comprehensive that you think that what was is too little, too late or not real at all?