Reaction to Supreme Court of Canada Ruling and Mandated Re-Education

I'll be sitting down with an expert, whatever that means, and they're going to do whatever it is they think they can do to make me into an entirely different sort of creature than I am. And so I'm sort of morbidly curious about that. Yeah, the re-education of Jordan Peterson coming to the airwaves soon.

Hey Dad, hey Mick, so how are you doing? What have you been up to recently? Up and down. Um, well, your mom and I, and you of course—well, let's go with what's down first. We got back from some funerals, so that was rough. The same week we launched Peterson Academy, and that's up in a big way. And so that's gone great, and that's quite fun. We have 12,000 students already, and people seem to be very interested in the opportunity to learn, which is exactly what we were hoping for.

And the trailers and the courses that you guys put together look superb. They exceeded my expectations by a radical margin. And so, um, we've upped the ante on the higher education front, and that's fun. And we've been able to bring these to people at a very reasonable cost, that's for sure, so that's very exciting. And it's all lovely to have all of that laid out, you know, in the midst of this other struggle, so that's good.

Oh well, and then of course there's today's news. Yes, today's news. Well, uh, that's what I thought we should have a conversation about. You popped up in the news again. Oh yes, yes, well, you know, it's been a while, so I guess it was time. So do you want to fill people in on the background?

Uh, yeah. So a brief overview: you've been investigated by the board of psychologists in Ontario for the last—how many years has it been? At least two? Four? A long time, off and on since 2016. More on than off, but very intense for the last at least three years.

Yeah, so this investigation is caused by people around the world filing complaints against comments you've made on social media about the government, trans issues, and things you said on Joe Rogan. So you appealed. I think the last time we did an update, you were appealing to the Supreme Court of Canada to see if you could avoid the mandated reeducation that the College of Psychologists wants you to do.

And for everybody who doesn't know, that re-education means they're assigning someone they choose to train you on what to say on social media, which I find—well, more than that even, I would say more than that. They want to retrain me with regard to how I conduct myself as a public intellectual, let's say. And that retraining is, of course, at my expense with their deemed expert. They have someone who styles herself, I believe, a social media expert—whatever the hell that is—and apparently they believe that her intercession in my affairs will bring me to heal. That's the plan.

And so they've already sentenced me to that. We appealed that through the—well, the Court of Appeal first in Canada, now at the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court announced today that they rejected my appeal, and they want me to pay court costs for the College of Psychologists. A college is a board that licenses people professionally after they've completed their education, just so everyone knows. And you have to stay in good standing with the college; there's a membership fee generally, and the colleges in principle were there to ensure that the public was well served by people with professional designation.

But they've become radically politicized, just like everything else in recent years. And, uh, the college obviously has members who are none too pleased with me for being right about things. And, uh, now it's time to be re-educated. And just so people know why, what have been the accusations?

Well, they take three forms. You alluded to them. I've been very vociferous in my objection to the butchery of children and their sterilization, which I regard as a crime against humanity, by the way. And which my fellow colleagues on the psychological, psychiatric, and medical front have proved themselves none too courageous in opposing, shall we put it that way? And, uh, I'm perfectly happy about what I've said on all those fronts because I regard what's happening with regards to so-called gender-affirming care as the worst professional scandal I would say since World War II. It's absolutely appalling on all sides.

And it's certainly the case that since I made the comments that were objected to by the various complainants—none of whom, by the way, were clients of mine or even knew clients of mine—since I've made those comments, most European countries have radically backed off with regards to their support for gender-affirming surgery after it's been revealed that everything about it is a lie and a scam, and far worse than that.

That just, you know, what would you say brushes the surface? And then I criticized Justin Trudeau, which is something I'm actually pretty happy about because he's a—what would you say? He's an incompetent narcissist who's made Canada a much worse place, and he's certainly not done with that yet.

Um, I criticized some of the members of his staff, and I made some comments about climate on the Joe Rogan podcast—not the last one, but the one before that. And someone submitted the whole bloody transcript of that to the college and said that I, I don't know, what am I doing? I'm doing something unethical by pointing out the fact that the climate scam is a preposterous pack of lies generated by people whose fundamental aim is nothing but power and control, and I'm also pretty happy about that.

And I would also point out that since I did that—and I'm not attributing this to me—it's part of the whole process by which these things unfold. The climate apocalypse narrative is looking increasingly shaky, let's put it that way. Um, the Net Zero proposals look economically preposterous and devastating. Germany is de-industrializing to its own detriment. The whole green scam is going to disappear, and I happen to be on the forefront of its opposition to that, and I'm also perfectly happy about that.

So it isn't obvious to me at all how this re-education is going to go. So, as I said, I've already been sentenced to that. So, yeah, I'll be sitting down with an expert, whatever that means, and they're going to do whatever it is they think they can do to make me into an entirely different sort of creature than I am, and so I'm sort of morbidly curious about that.

So, like who are they going to get to do this? How are they going to proceed? How are they going to make it very difficult for me to undertake that because that'll certainly be one of the tricks? So that's the situation on to the re-education camp, and I'm going to comply with it because I could tell them to go to hell. I'm not that thrilled about being a member of their club anyways because I'm pretty sickened by the disgraceful conduct of my fellow psychologists in their absolute cowardice in failing to oppose this abysmal treatment of young people.

So I guess my next step is to contact the college and tell them, you know, on with the show. So I don't even exactly know how to do that, but I guess we figure that out, or maybe they'll be in contact with me, and then we have to negotiate exactly what that'll look like, and I have no idea what that'll look like, and I don't want to give them any ideas. So we'll see how that unfolds.

I think the best-case scenario would be that Canada is still up in arms about COVID, and you could do it over Zoom, and then you could do it from America, so you won't get arrested in Canada. I'm, I'm worried about how this is going to go. Yeah, well, being arrested is a low probability event.

But having said that, I should also point out for those of you who are watching and listening, especially in Canada, you guys are in a very awkward position. Like the first thing I should say is there isn't really much that the college can do to me practically speaking. Okay? So I don't practice as a clinical psychologist except in so far as I still have the designation and in so far as I'm doing psychological work, let's say, with my lectures and seminars and so forth.

Um, and so I have no income that's dependent on that, and as I said, it's a club that I'm increasingly appalled to be a part of. And the simplest thing for me to do would be to tell them to take their designation and, um, do what they want with it, let's say, and wash my hands of it. And so why am I not doing that? Well, some of it's just pure stubbornness. It's like I'm not going to let a pack of half-witted ideological jackanapes steal something from me under the guise of moral intervention that I worked very hard to attain, that was difficult to attain, that was at one point very valid and that I have served with distinction and appropriately the entire time.

It's absolutely incumbent on psychologists to do what I've done, which is to stand up and say that there's no evidence whatsoever for any of the claims that are being made by the gender-affirming ideological monstrous sterilizers and mutilators of children. And if that happens to be something that I'm being gone after for, it's like—bring it on, you sons of—and we'll see how that plays out.

So now, in terms of personal gain, mostly that's just a annoyance. You know, I don't need to spend 30 hours talking to someone about how I should reform everything I know from first fundamentals, but I'm going to go through with it. Why? I'm a citizen of Canada, subject to its laws, such as they are. And so I'll play the bloody charade out till the end.

Now, what should Canadians think about this? H, that's a hard question because you're between a rock and a hard place now. You can either assume that I'm the right-wing scoundrel unable to control my tongue that the left-wing radicals who don't like me would like you to presume, and perhaps they're right.

And or you can assume that the Canadian judicial system and the regulatory system and the legislative system to some degree, as well as the education system and the health care system, has become so bloody corrupt that it can't be trusted in its dealings with you as individuals or in its dealings with professionals such as myself.

And I suppose if I was the typical Canadian, it would be a lot easier to presume that I'm the unruly, you know, far-right scoundrel that the leftists insist upon than to make the terrible judgment that the jig is up, boys and girls, and the Supreme Court of Canada itself can no longer be trusted to bear the responsibility to make the decisions that are appropriate to its domain.

But, you know, when the news came in today, and like it was quite a blow, it made me shaky, and it made it difficult to stand up, and even though I fully expected it, it's exactly what I thought would happen. Um, why? Well, it's no simple—it’s no easy matter to be, what would you say, taken to task by your regulatory board, hypothetically your fellow professionals, and then the Supreme Court itself. What am I claiming? That I'm right and they're wrong?

Y, that's what I'm claiming. Should you believe me? I guess that's up to everybody who's watching and listening. It's a terrible decision; it's a terrible thing. It's much worse for members of the Canadian public, especially professionals, than it is for me. I can just take my privilege elsewhere and at a moment's notice. I don't need this in any way; I don't even need the designation, even though they're not going to take it from me without a war.

But Canadians, here's the situation that confronts you. Canadians, your professionals are now mandated by law and their own regulatory boards to lie to you. That's all your teachers. That's all your engineers. That's all your lawyers. That's all your physicians. That's all your psychologists—all the people you depend on to tell you the truth when crunch time comes can't do so. So I'm trying to demonstrate that, and it's expensive, and it's annoying, and it's stressful. Had a big scrap with your mom yesterday, not least because of the cumulative stress, you know?

And so there's a personal cost to all of this; it's very annoying. And you know, I've scoured my conscience. I don't regret any of the things I said, you know? And lots of my friends took me to task because of the harshness with which I said them, let's say. How harsh should you be when you're talking about the mutilation and sterilization of confused children? What, we're supposed to be nice about that? I don't think so. Let's be nice to the local serial killer? No, I don't think so.

Let's be nice to the professionals who are so cowardly that they aid and abet what I think are crimes against humanity, performing surgical transformations on people who are too young to give informed consent? If objecting to that costs me my license, it's like, okay, so what do you think about it?

I think it's going to be 30 hours of detention with Dolores Umbridge. Yeah, well, that's, that's yeah, we'll see how to deal with that.

Yeah, well, the thing is, they're not trying to re-educate me; it's complete blood rubbish. They know perfectly well that, a, they're not going to be able to hire anyone to do that. I can't imagine who they're going to hire to do this, to begin with. Who would even agree to do that?

Like, it's so—I guess I could, what would you say, put forward a warning to whoever wants to do that: don't do it. I think there are going to be people lining up to retrain Jordan Peterson. That's why I'm warning them. It's like, you know, it's like you have no idea what you're tangling with.

Like, you have no idea what this is going to do to your life. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't get involved in this. Don't come and re-educate me; you think it's your moral duty. It's like, your life will never be the same. And so you've been warned.

And I'm, I'm not making a physical threat; I'm just—you don't want to get close to this. Not unless you're naive beyond redemption, so, um, well, 30 hours of detention.

Yeah, well, the thing is it's 30 hours. The training course is indefinite, and there's no criteria by which it can be determined to be successful except theirs. So, okay, so they're not going to be able to retrain you because you're not going to change the way you're thinking on the points that they want you to change.

So how many hours are you going to do this if it's indefinite? Until you're retrained? This is such a waste of time till whatever happens next happens. Oh my god. You know, the goal—the goal isn't to retrain me; the goal is to get me to utter something approximating a public apology.

And like, I don’t—I wouldn't go so far as to say there are no circumstances under which I would do that, but there's no imaginable circumstances under which I would do that. So I don't know how that's going to go. And so I suppose we'll play out the charade until they decide that I'm incorrigible, and then they'll take my license, which is the goal anyways.

And so, you know, and some people listening might think, well, Dr. Peterson, don’t you think you have anything to learn? It's like, no doubt I have things to learn. But who—thinking that? Well, who the hell? That is the issue.

The issue is—so I asked the college, for example, because I sent them a series of questions, all of which they responded to with a phrase, uh, with a response that was something like, we don't have to answer any of your goddamn questions.

And so I asked them, okay, well, how do you define social media expert? Like, is that some sort of professional designation? By what standard is a social media expert accredited? Do they have five million followers on X, for example? Like, what makes them an expert? They got a certificate from some DEI organization that deemed them expert? It's like, okay, well, and let's say they are an expert, which they're not.

So then what's your evidence that retraining a recalcitrant psychologist by exposing them to a social media expert makes that psychologist a better psychologist?

Like, is this person also an expert psychologist? Like, I'm an expert psychologist—because I doubt it. And so how are they going to do to demonstrate to me that I'm wrong?

Dr. Peterson, you could have been nicer. It's like I'm not that interested in being nice to butchering, narcissistic, greedy child mutilating psychopaths. I don't think being nice to them is the right approach. And I don't regret what I said about the bloody climate apocalypse mongers.

It's like, go to hell, you pikers. You think you're going to save the world by making energy too expensive for poor people to live? That's your theory? That's a stupid theory, and it's worse than stupid; it's evil. So no.

So mostly—some part—this is morbid curiosity. It's like, okay, the clown show continues. What happens next? Well, I guess we're going to find out, so I'll indicate my willingness to meet the expert, and we'll see what happens.

Now, you know, well, I hope it's over Zoom for your sake and you're out of Canada. I do not trust that country at all. Yeah, would be the safest option.

Yeah, well, there's nothing here that involves, at least at the moment, anything that would be arrestable, let's say, if the Canadian government—well, if the Canadian government passes Bill C63, which is unlikely but possible, then I have to re-evaluate the situation. Because Bill C63 would turn Canada into a nation run by the same people who took delight in informing on their neighbors during COVID because they're setting up a whole bureaucracy so that you can inform on people for their social media posts and then tangle them up in this terrible procedure that would be akin to what I've been tangled up with with the college, but for everyone because that's how to make society more peaceful and less hateful.

So, you know, keeping my options open; it's possible, it's possible, well, it's happening. Like, it's happening in the UK that people are in trouble for their social media posts right now. Now, in regards to the protests, there are people in jail.

So, oh, the UK is so close to Canada. Yeah, it's concerning to say the least. Well, I think that sums up everything. Do you want to end on a more positive note?

That's horrible. I'm worried for you. I hope—well, I can end on a bunch of positive notes. I can end on a bunch of positive notes. It's like it's very stressful and annoying and expensive, but I'm going to see it through, and I'm doing that because people should know what's going on.

And should they trust me? That's up to them. Like, I find it preposterous that my fellow citizens are being placed in a position where they have to decide to trust me or the Supreme Court. Yeah, like that's ridiculous, or me or the universities. Why trust me?

Well, I guess you have to listen to what I've been saying and pay attention and make your own decision. Um, of course when these sorts of things happen, I have my periods of doubt because it's quite the phenomena to see this all unfold, you know?

Um, on the positive side, I'm releasing a whole raft of great content on The Daily Wire. We just got those announcements today: the gospel seminar, a 10-part series with great minds. Um, a series on Western Civilization that's three series: one on depression and anxiety, one on marriage, one on developing a vision, one release per week till the end of the year. So hooray! They're very professionally produced and they look great. I'm thrilled with what's happened to Peterson Academy.

I mean, maybe we'll have 100,000 students in three or four months, and we have huge plans to bring the best lectures in the world to everyone for a very low cost, and I think we can do that. Um, I wrote two pieces of music today with my collaborator this morning after getting the news about the Supreme Court, and they're very twisted and strange little musical pieces.

And I could channel that energy into that music, and so that was entertaining and, you know, meaningful. And I sorted out my differences with your mother, and so, you know, we're going to try to modify our responses to being stressed to some degree if we can manage that, and I imagine we can.

And there's lots of remarkable things that are on the horizon, and who knows? If this is bad news, like, it's a blow, and it's going to be complex. But you know, wherever there's a dragon, there's a treasure. So, and we've got pretty good— you and me and the rest of our crew at seeing where the dragons are and finding the treasure, so we're going to do that here too, that's for sure.

Great, right, right. So, yeah, I've been talking to some of my partners in crime, so to speak, about exactly how to go about this in the most upward aiming and comical possible manner, and we have some vicious plans in the works, let's put it that way.

And so I would reiterate my statement with regards to the college: I would be very careful in offering up sacrificial lambs to the re-education process because you're not going to be able to be doing the people that you hire to re-educate me or doing your college any favors. So let the games begin.

Yeah, well, good luck with everything, and, and that's not supposed to be—like you said, a physical threat. That's—that's mostly that anybody getting wrapped up in this on that side of ideology is going to look back with immense amounts of regret later. Like, they need to really think this through, right?

Well, that's for sure. Well, I would also say in general, like, being anywhere near me in a complex way is not something that anyone with any sense should ever take on lightly.

Yes, I can attest to that. Okay, let's start. So we started off with 12,000 subscribers, Peterson Academy students? Yep, we are at 12,773.

Yep, well, we're crewing—what, about 700 a day? E, something like that? Yeah, very exciting.

Yeah, well, and we're going to devote our time and energy to making that the best possible enterprise that we can manage. So definitely.

Yeah, well, you know what would be fun, I suppose, would be to just come down to Scottsdale and to work on our university project and to spend time with your mom and to play around with my music producer and to work towards the release of my book in November, "We Who Wrestle with God," which I'm very happy about. And just to step away from this whole bloody idiotic mess.

Yes, but I don't think that's the right thing to do. Oh man, it's such a waste of time. Who wants to be part of their snobby little club anyway? They certainly don't want you to be a member of their club.

No, well, well, it's bad. It's bad, Michaela, because like, I don't know, you know, it's hard to separate this out from a claim that could be narcissistic in some sense, but like this is really a blow to free speech in Canada. Like serious, a serious blow.

I've had many professionals reach out to me to tell me how important this particular case is. And now the Supreme Court has—basically, the Supreme Court has decided that the Charter of Rights is irrelevant in relationship to whatever the professional colleges want to do.

So let's rephrase—let’s reiterate that—the Supreme Court of Canada has now decided that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the much-vaunted Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, is essentially irrelevant when it comes to how professionals will be governed by their own professional organizations, which essentially means that all regulated professionals in Canada have no freedom of speech.

So that's where we're at. So that's terrible. It's terrible. Agreed.

Well, thank you for the update. I think that covers it. We'll keep everybody posted on what's going to happen with this re-education.

Yeah, the re-education of Jordan Peterson coming to the airwaves soon. Okay, thanks Dad.

Y, thanks kiddo. [Music]