Creeping Tyranny In Canada — And The West | Josh & Nick Alexander | EP 399
You look at our culture today and the number one thing that's under attack is the nuclear family, right? Um, and, uh, the US. I know gender might be under attack, but that in itself is attacking family. Yeah, yeah. And all of it leads back to the nuclear family, and the Bible tells us honor thy father and thy [Music] mother.
Hello everyone watching and listening. Today I'm speaking with a couple of stellar young men, Josh and Nick Alexander, who are both advocates for the Save Canada Organization. We discussed their political activity oriented towards Christian ideals and family values, the abysmal response from administrative busybodies, mainstream media, and law enforcement, the threats and physical violence levied against them, and what their battle really means for Canada and for the world at large.
All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming in. Let's take it from the top. Josh, you can start with this. So you ran into trouble with your school, public trouble with your school? How long ago now?
Well, so I actually used to attend the public education system and I got in trouble during the freedom convoy mainly just over the mandates and the vaccine requirements and all that. But I left that school and I went into the Catholic board, and I really started getting in trouble around, uh, October, November of 2022.
So how do you know this is not just you?
Well, I mean looking out across the entire education system, you can see that any student that stands up gets in trouble. Um, and then I watched what happened just to my little brother last week. He was suspended for simply wearing my hat. So I know it's not simply based on what me as a person but what I believe in.
He was suspended for wearing your hat?
Yeah, okay, explain that.
Yes, so a particularly evil hat, I presume.
Apparently so. Um, it’s the same hat that I’ve worn for, I guess, three years now. Um, it was an organization started by a bunch of students in Halifax actually, and we picked it up here in Ontario, and it was against the mandates and it was just about restoring a traditional culture in Canada.
What does the hat say?
Save Canada.
Save Canada. Yeah, and you got thrown out of school for that?
Okay, so tell me that story and then we'll go back to what happened with you.
How?
Okay, so what's the rationale here for wearing a Save Canada hat?
Why are you—
Actually, it was our younger brother, he's 14, who got kicked out of school for this.
Oh, I see. So they're trying to get rid of all the Alexanders now. Are you still in school, Nick?
No, I'm done. I'm done school.
You're done? Why? And what grade are you supposed to be in?
I should be in grade 12. The highest I have is grade 10 though.
Uhhuh, uhhuh.
Okay, so let's go back to the trucker convoy. What sort of—what were you doing at that point in the public education system, and why did you get in trouble? Can you make a case for yourself first, and then make a case against yourself? Because I presume the teachers and the other hypothetical professionals assumed that they had some reason for giving you grief and misery. So why don't you lay out both sides of the argument?
Yeah, sure. So basically, um, I went into the education system and it was obviously quite, uh, crazy. The lockdown restrictions and everything that was going on and as a young person that was weird, we'd have the cops calling us for playing football with our buddies at a local park, right? And so I ended up just being fed up with it. A couple of my buddies at school and myself and a student named Monty Walker started doing walkouts in our school, and that spread across the province.
And after that, we started organizing them for Nova Scotia and BC and all across Canada, and our school didn't like that. They suspended us.
And us being how many of you...
I think on the last walkout we did, it was about 10 students from my school. They basically told anybody who didn’t put the mask on and joined me on the street would be suspended, and a bunch of kids just said, “all right, that's it."
Um, now previously we’d have like, uh, we had about, uh, 50 students coming out from the 300 student, uh, school, and then we'd have, uh, crowds outside from parents and stuff supporting. So it became too much pressure and the school just started kicking us out.
How old were you when you started organizing those protests?
Um, I guess I would have been 15.
You know, one of the things I was surprised about watching what happened with young people was the fact that so many young people actually put up with it. Now of course I'm not young obviously, but I might be deluded in my belief, but my sense is, is that when I was that age, 14 or 15, the people that I was associating with in this little town up in Northern Alberta, I don't think we would have put up with the masks.
Now that might just be wrong, but young people did put up with the masks for a very long time, and you got sick of it.
Yeah, I mean, everybody put up with it and that's what shocked me. I'm from the riding run through Nipping Pembroke, which is famous for being the most conservative riding in Canadian history. I would have thought it would have been immediate—no, but apparently not.
And everybody just went along with it, that it was the new normal apparently, and I wasn't okay with it, and I knew that there were some people who weren't okay with it in private, but none of them were willing to take the risk of, you know, maybe getting arrested or even—like I would go shopping and I'd get the cops called almost every time just because I refuse to wear a mask.
And you get looked at differently when you're disobeying the rules as a young person.
Yeah, yeah. So why do you think you weren't willing to go along?
And well, let's do two things. Had you gotten any trouble in school previous to your political involvement?
No, I hadn’t. I was actually an award-winning student. I received the Citizenship Award. I was previously homeschooled, went into the public board.
How old were you when you went into public school?
I was grade seven, so I guess I would have been 13.
Okay, so you were in public school for a couple of years before the mandates came in and before you started raising trouble?
Yeah, so I went there in grade seven. I ended up—the mandates only started to come in right at the end of our grade eight year, um, and we graduated, um, not in person. That wasn't allowed, but I received an award. I had a good reputation.
Why do you have a good reputation?
Just because I have morals and character, which is not something that should be lacking in an elementary school, but it is. And I mean my dad was also a teacher and he had a really good reputation. He actually got to teach me in a couple of my classes. And I graduated from that school, went into high school, and everything just changed.
Right, so you weren't a kid with a pattern of troublemaking behavior who used this political opportunity to, like, elevate himself in status? That wasn't the game?
Yeah, never.
Okay, so what do you think the mask mandates and the lockdowns over those couple of years did to people who were essentially your age?
I think it had a terrible effect on my entire generation. I mean, you'd see the stats on the news about the suicide rates and the depression and anxiety or whatever, but you could actually see it in person as a student. You go to school and it's like—I'd never seen anything like it. The morale was so low.
Um, and I mean I guess people just didn't think it would have an effect when you take young people, tell them they're not allowed to hang out, even on good terms, and it just puts kids on video games and porn and social media, and that's becomes their life and it's completely unhealthy.
Well, I again, you know, I was trying to think about how I would have reacted when I was say 15 or so, man. I remember just my—my father grounded me one weekend when I was a teenager around 15 and I still remember being at home Friday and Saturday night when I wanted to be out with my friends.
Like that burned itself into my memory. It's like that's not really that much of a punishment, you know? And I'm sure I deserved it, but it drove me crazy, and I thought I just can't imagine what it would have been like to be, say, between 14 and 16, and locked up essentially, wrapped in a mask, unable to communicate.
It must have been exceptionally difficult on the dating side of things too, I imagine, for—of course young people have sort of given up on that in favor of pornography, so maybe that wasn't such a catastrophe, but yeah, I know. Like young people, they just—they stop being in relationships whether it was dating or just basic friendship.
It just, it was all online. Um, and that becomes a very serious problem and then whenever it did return to school you couldn’t see each other's faces. Um, you had to stay socially distanced and all that, and I mean, it may seem like a small inconvenience and to most people they just allowed it, but when you understand what the greater plot is, and you're looking at it, you—I just wasn't able to tolerate it.
It was a small inconvenience at all. I think it was an absolute epidemic of tyrannical authoritarianism, and as far as I'm concerned, good for you for standing up against it.
Okay, so now how did you decide to make your first political move? That was the walkout essentially? Or so you were going to school, were you wearing a mask when you were going to school?
For the most part, yeah. I would have been wearing the mask. I still get in trouble because like if I was not in class or something, there wasn't any teachers around I wouldn't be wearing it, but I would for the most part wear it.
Um, but I would still be getting called to the office. I even got called to the office once because a student reported me for not being vaccinated, which wasn't even a requirement at the time, but, uh, yeah, it was—I would get in trouble for the smaller things and just because I would voice my opinion on it and, you know, put questions and students had like what's actually going on and why they're forced to cover their faces and stay home.
And, uh, so yeah, the faculty didn't like that.
How many times do you suppose you were called to the office?
Um, at like around the freedom convoy, it was almost every day, if like not several times a day.
Okay, and so what were you doing during the freedom convoy?
So that was really what sparked the change in me, I guess. I had been semi complying all the way around, uh, at least in school. Elsewhere, I didn't really care, um, and, uh, in fact, I got fired from my job for not wearing a mask and whatnot.
But what was your job?
Oh, I was just making coffees.
Yeah, um, I was 15, had a job and spread a lot of germs making coffee, you know?
So, yeah, they fired me there, but like I was—I wasn’t complying outside and school was really the only place I was doing it. And then we went to the freedom convoy.
You meaning who?
Um, well my brother here and our friend Monty and we even at the very end brought a few other students to help out, but—
And you went to Ottawa?
Yep, and uh, we were down there for a while, and it was weird going to the convoy and seeing everything free and everything normal and seeing the country come together and then going back to this just depressing, tyrannical state, and I had enough, and that's when we decided to start doing these walkouts.
Um, it was as simple as me—I think I just, uh, put up a photo on Snapchat or something, one of those apps students talk on, and, uh, I just said, "meet me at my locker at whatever time; we're, we're done; we're walking out."
Were you a reasonably popular kid at this point with your peers, or was it polarized? Like why did people—why did anyone listen to you?
Um, I wouldn't say I was incredibly popular. Like I had a pretty good reputation still, but, uh, um, my opinions certainly weren't popular. But I mean in grade 9 and 10 that isn't as big a deal as it is, um, further on in life. But, uh, some students, they—like, they did respect me because I was respectful even when I was being shouted at by my principal and all that.
So I just remained calm and I gave the students the best advice I could.
In fact, I would spend hours negotiating with the principals when I was supposed to be in class. They'd bring the board superintendent down to my events, and I just—I would tell them, "what were you negotiating?"
Well, they would, uh, for instance, they wanted to, uh, suspend any student that walked out with me.
Mmm.
And I told them, look, I'm the organizer of this thing. You're obviously talking to me for a reason and not every other student that's walked out.
Um, suspend me, do whatever you want to me. And, uh, each of those students has a right to walk out and you can suspend me for non-compliance or, um, disobeying authority, but, uh, I don't care. I'll take the fall for it.
Oh yeah, PR annoying, that's for sure.
Yeah, so Nick, you were in Ottawa too, eh?
Yeah, I was.
Okay, now but when the freedom convoy made itself known, were you still in school or had you graduated by that point?
I wasn't in school. So at the end of grade 11 I dropped out and switched to online school because I was running a, uh, welding business at the time. So I’d work in the days and do my high school online at nighttime, so, uh, yeah, I was doing it online.
So what was your impression of Ottawa when you went there and why'd you go?
I thought it was incredible. It was a real break from the tyranny we've been living under, and, uh, yeah, it was one of the most incredible, um, incredible few weeks of my life.
And had you been politicized at all before that?
Uh, no, I wasn't especially political, no.
And you, when how old were you when you started your welding business and what is that business exactly?
Uh, it’s Bas Valley Welding. It was a, uh, mostly agriculture equipment welding. So I break a lot of, uh, whether it’s Harrows or plows, whatever it is that breaks down, I would do offer a mobile welding service, and I was 17 when I started that.
And is that a business that you're only involved in or do you have employees?
Uh, no, Josh is a co-owner as is Monty Walker.
Oh yeah? So you can weld too, eh?
I’ve done a little bit; he does the majority of the mechanics. We also—we would do—we also like that under that business name. We had all sorts of different jobs going, and we’d just work anywhere and any time we could.
This is while you’re in high school?
Yeah, yeah.
How's the business going?
It's—we've had to put on pause the last couple months. We've been pretty busy with our current situation, but we're looking at getting back into it this fall and firing it back up to life.
So how would you characterize your relationship with your brother? And, and how are you two involved in this trouble you're generating together?
Yeah, me and Josh are very close. Um, it's kind of a Triune—uh, it’s a Triune way we work on, a Triune way, me, Monty Walker, and Josh, and running this, uh, running to Save Canada and trying to wake up the youth here.
I see.
Okay, okay, and now so you posted a picture, you said on Snapchat, and then you asked people to meet you at your locker, and they met you. This is the first walkout. So, so walk me through that. How did you organize that exactly?
You said about 50 kids participated, one out of six, is that about right?
Yeah, I guess so. Um, but, uh, yeah, I had actually—I had never announced walkouts before I organized one, but earlier on in the fall there was a movement going on. I saw it online, and it was a walkout from your businesses and your employment and all that, and, uh, I said I'm doing it. And actually three guys walked it with me, so we were four guys.
And then I think maybe six community members came out. It was really small, but it was just like that, the first one. This is a small initiative. I didn't start it; I was like, but I’ll support it and I walked out, and a couple guys followed me.
Um, and then months later we decided to actually organize them on our own and, uh, yeah, I had no idea what it was going to look like. The last one, three guys—F right, right.
But, uh, I started to—I started to hear some chatter and all this around the school, and I’m waiting at my locker at the time, and around the corner, I see a bunch of kids holding the, uh, the Gadsden flag and, uh, Canadian flags and all sorts of stuff, and they had signs.
I was—it was amazing to see.
Yeah, you seem happy about it still.
Yeah, why were you so pleased about that?
Well, it was, uh—it was just refreshing to see after watching, um, you know, relationships get strained over the issue and, uh, myself be like—I’d be sitting in the office for like three hours a day just arguing when I should be in class learning and I’d be getting yelled at by my teachers non-stop and, um, like just disciplined, um, constantly.
So now you had a bit of a crew?
Yeah, and now we’re walking out with numbers, and we just decided, uh, to go around. I had my crew following me, and we just went to every classroom and said, "all right, we’re walking out. Let’s go."
And students would get up and they’d follow us out.
And so they left their classrooms as you walked through the school?
Yeah, and how did the teachers and the administrators react to that?
Some would yell at me, some would slam their doors. Some would—I mean, there was a couple, um, who wouldn’t say anything, which I would take their, uh, their silence as a bit of support, or some of them would even be smiling under their masks while watching the students walk out of their classes, and they didn’t mind it all that much.
Um, but what percentage of teachers do you think were neutral or on your side?
Very few. Um, there were very few, but there’d be a couple, and, uh, what was there—a how would you distinguish the teachers who were neutral or on your side from the ones who weren’t?
Nowadays teachers make it pretty clear what their stances are. They're supposed to leave politic out of the classroom, but they don’t. And, uh, like I basically—the ones that shouted at me aren’t on my side.
Okay, that seems pretty straightforward. Nick, why do you think, what is it about your brother do you think that put him in this position?
Well, I think there's a few, uh, different things that attribute it, but he's naturally a very strong leader; people will naturally follow him.
And, uh, why? I couldn't tell you. There’s, I guess, he’s very intelligent, he’s well spoken, he’s very confident. People follow confidence, especially in a day and age like today where you look at the youth, there’s no confidence.
True confidence, I believe.
Absolutely. You think he’s competent?
Very competent.
Do you think he’s honest?
Very honest.
Very honest? He has a long—how did he learn to be honest, do you think?
Well, we’ve had a fairly good role model from our father. Our father, he’s a veteran. He’s now a school teacher. Um, he’s pastor of the church we started, the church when we were younger down in Arizona.
Uh, yeah, he set a very high example for us. He raised us right, I believe, and, uh, corrected us when we were wrong.
And do you have a good relationship with your father?
Yeah, it’s a very good relationship, yes.
You respect him?
Absolutely.
Absolutely? Well, that’s quite a lot of respect. Why do you respect him?
Well, I mean, you look at our culture today and the number one thing that’s under attack is the nuclear family, right? Um, and, uh, the Bible tells us. I know gender might be under attack, but that in itself is attacking family.
Yeah, yeah.
And, uh, all of it leads back to the nuclear family, and the Bible tells us honor thy father and thy mother, and, uh, both of them have been, uh, excellent role models and, uh, I love them very much and, uh, I respect them and, uh, they’re, they’re good leaders and they’ve stood by me through all this, and now both of them are out of their jobs because of me. But, uh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So Nick, maybe you can pick up on that. So what happened? What happened with your parents? Your dad was teaching? Your mom, what was her job?
She's also a school teacher.
She's all—yeah, she’s all. So you guys are really in this all the way, aren't you?
Okay, so what happened to your parents as a consequence of the political action that you guys started to take?
Right, yeah. Well, I think I believe the board is targeting them merely because of our stance. They want to, uh, retaliate in any way they can. In their parents’ jobs, as government jobs are obviously their first target.
Um, so the dad was, uh, suspended from his job when—when would this—when would this have been?
Last spring, I don't remember the date. I believe it was late spring.
Okay, yeah.
Um, and a few weeks after, my mom was also suspended.
And what was the justification for that?
So, my dad was suspended because—the on-paper justification was because of his online actions, which was funny because at the time he had no social media. It wasn't until after, in response to that, that he actually got social media.
So they put him on leave from his work? They said it was for his online actions on social media, and he had no Twitter, no Instagram.
So what were his online actions?
He had none. It was a blatant lie, blatant lie by the board, and so afterwards he got his—you can look up the date he got it. That's fine, that's when he got it. He got it because of that, and, uh, and yeah, a few weeks later, my mom was also put under investigation because somebody went up to her door and posted a pride flag on her classroom door, which no one has the right.
It’s her classroom. There’s no reason to do that. So she went up in the morning, took it off the door, and, uh, she was placed under investigation for that.
And on what grounds? Touching the sacred object? Like what exactly was the problem there?
The fact, I guess it’s considered hateful to not want to play—she was a danger to students, and this was a kindergarten classroom that they posted the flag on.
A better question is why is there a pride flag on the door of a kindergarten classroom?
That’s my—that’s my question, not the fact that the teacher took it off.
But yeah, well, it’s the mob for you, buddy.
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Yeah, so you weren't very political before you went to the trucker convoy, huh?
Not especially political, no.
All right, so I would have had fairly strong beliefs, but I wasn't very active.
And now I—whether you consider it politics or morals, I'm quite involved in what's currently happening.
And how are you involved now?
Um, we’re running a lot of different protests, and, uh, meeting a lot of students. We’re really trying to wake up the youth in this generation because that's what has to happen.
They punched you here a little while ago, didn't you?
Everyone thinks it was a punch. It was a blade of some sort; I'm not sure. I believe it was a bladed glove; it could have been a knife, but a lot of the anti—tell me exactly what happened.
Now, this was a recent protest?
Yeah, June—sorry, September 22nd.
Yeah, so tell me exactly what happened that day.
Um, yeah, so we were—J Billboard Chris, obviously—organized a protest against gender ideology near Victoria Park, I believe, right?
Yeah, Victoria Park Collegiate Institute, yeah.
And, uh, so we had a decent turnout, not as big as we were expecting but decent turnout. There was also a large Antifa crowd, and right off the get-go.
So we got to the event maybe 45 minutes early, and right off the get-go about 30 Antifa across the street.
And at this point, it's just me, Josh—
Were they all masked up?
Masked up, masked up, signs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the contemptible lot.
And okay, so Josh is doing an interview with, uh, one of the media companies. I can't remember who it was. We do a lot of interviews, but as he's doing this, there are only about five of us there. We’re early, and the Antifa crowd comes running up the street, crosses the other side of the street, and just swarms us instantly, goes physical right off the bat.
Charges into us, okay, goes physical meaning what?
What are they doing physically?
Charging into us, pushing us back, and there are about five of you guys, five of us, yeah. So the’re just in there—there's me, Monty, a couple Veterans for Freedom guys.
So we just made a line in front of Josh; he’s trying to do an interview. They’re clearly trying to get at him, and, uh, so we’re not—we never engage with physical back. We stand our ground, but we don't punch; we don’t respond; we don’t retaliate.
So they’re attacking us and one of the guys was actually on, on a video; one of them has a baton. He starts swinging the baton; I caught the baton midair and chucked it out behind me. But, uh, so that, that was how it started right off the get-go, and as this is happening, we're clearly being attacked. Toronto police are there.
They had a meeting with the liaisons about half an hour prior and they stated that they had 100 police officers on the ground and 60 public order ready to go to keep things peaceful.
So as we're—uh, as these Antifa guys are attacking us, we look behind me; I see all the Toronto police drive by, stop multiple cruisers, guys on bikes and then look, see what's happening and speed off, continues to leave us right there in the street.
So, uh, shortly after, our crowd really started showing up in numbers.
And so once—how do you explain the fact that the cops left?
They don't like doing their job; they never do.
Well, it's strange, you know, because you'd think—the natural sympathy of the police would be more aligned with what you guys are doing, don’t you think?
Especially after all the events in 2020, but no, not at all. They’re, uh, very much, very much favorable towards the, uh, towards the radical left and their— the violent rant, top-down command, absolutely.
And in fact I've been told as much by certain officers; a trend we've been seeing at a lot of our events is that the officers will make a line in between our crowd and the, uh, the woke mob.
And the officers will be facing our crowd with their back to the woke mob.
And I'd like—I’ve said they’re quite nervous. I’ve had a relationship with a handful of officers and they’re nervous having that violent crowd behind them that knows no bounds, has no moral compass, and no—it's absolutely a command from the top down, too.
So when you're being pushed and shoved by 30 people and there's five of you, how do you keep your temper under control?
I've honestly never had a problem or very rarely have a problem getting with temper under control with that.
Okay, so they test you sometimes; I'll say that much, but I think in the end our—it's a lot—it's more important that we stay grounded and on—that’s what we believe in and then—and truth and take the high ground as opposed to, uh, the violent—an easy thing to say until there’s, you know, 30 people pushing you and being as provocative as they possibly can.
I mean, and you haven't broken that—before, you haven't let your temper leap out and I've— I have lost my temper, but I haven’t lost it in public.
Uh, you haven’t lost— I think we’ve all lost our tempers here and there.
Yeah, yeah, but you haven't lost in public, how about you?
No, I—I mean there was a clip that got aired on Fox News a while back I was in Alberta and, uh, Antifa surrounded me outside of high school. And, uh, they just started throwing me around; they were punching me. A kid tried to set me on fire. They were, uh, choking me with my—I had a cross on my neck and they were trying to choke me out with it.
Um, oh yeah, that's symbolic.
Um, one of them—uh, one of the ladies, uh, with the BLM leaders, Taylor, I believe, uh, went into the back of my pants, um, in this struggle.
Anyways, the police run in; they arrest me, but I just have my hands up in the air while they're doing this.
Um, and, uh, like there's not much you can do because my goal isn't to run in there and fight with crazed activists.
I want to get through to students and I want to be a responsible role model to them and be able to bring them the truth in a way that they will listen to it.
So when a student watches me get attacked, not retaliate, continue to talk to them while I'm being attacked and then get arrested, um, be told if I come back I'll be charged—
Um, uh, breaching the peace.
Oh yeah?
Um, they interrogate me about what scripture I'm, uh, using and stuff.
What do you mean they interrogate you?
But what scripture are you using?
They, uh, so they arrested me while I was handing out students—handing out Bibles to students and I got attacked; the police ran in and arrested me after watching what had happened.
I had my hands in the air, getting thrown around, um, and then, uh, they had me in custody for a while and started asking me about what scripture I was using and whether I had violated a conflict bylaw regarding the, uh, alphabet community.
And, uh, violated it how?
Um, by using verses that would target that community.
And, uh, so that was a complete—that’s fun.
Yeah, that was a complete, uh, free speech violation, but, uh, no, it's worse than that, right?
That's a freedom of conscience violation; that's a freedom of religious belief violation.
Mhm, right?
Yeah, but, uh, yeah, anyways that happens; they tell me if you return you're going to be the one that gets charged, whether it's you that gets assaulted or not.
And, uh, they even told—this is you that gets assaulted or not.
They said no matter what; they said even if I don’t get assaulted, if I do get assaulted, no matter what, if I step back, um, if I walk back towards that school, I will be arrested, um, and I knew that I had to make a decision there because these—I’d been there four minutes.
These students were walking out; it was a walk out called the—and with Josh Alexander—walk out, and it was organized by Liberty Coalition Canada.
These students have come out all the way across the country to support me. I flew down to see them and to, uh, visit with Pastor Arthur Polowski and, uh, anyways I go to see them, and I get arrested four minutes later.
So, um, I wanted to return four whole minutes?
Yeah, I lasted four whole minutes in Calgary, and then, uh—I guess Calgary has a pretty woke mayor.
Yeah, to say the least, and the Calgary Police Department is just brutal.
But, uh, anyways I get released from custody; they tell me, um, if Josh just leaves the premises now, um, we shouldn't have to— to arrest him again, we won’t have to talk again, and my lawyer said, okay, talk soon, so.
Right, right.
I, uh, grabbed my Bibles, I went down the sidewalk, and even more students come out now because they've all seen me get arrested with the police. Now following me as I get closer to the school, if I get within their boundaries, they'll take me down.
And just before I was going to walk right in and just before I crossed that line, the whole crowd rushed towards me, and I started getting attacked again, but, uh, I was in a location where I was able to maneuver around a little bit more and get students to talk to, and, uh, we were there for hours just talking to them, and they—they are able to respect your opinion, um, more so when they've seen how much of a risk you’ll take to express it.
Who's more likely to respect your opinion?
Students.
And, uh, just how confident you are in, uh, portraying it. And, uh, so that was—that was certainly, I would certainly say that was a success. But had I lost my temper, it would have just completely failed.
One thing with today's students is they will follow anyone with—like I said, confidence and courage. Nobody that's really lacking in today's generation, so any youth with that they will follow.
Okay, so let's go back to when you got cut. All right, so you said you guys were there about 40 minutes before this particular demonstration.
That was at Victoria Park?
Yeah, right near Victoria Park.
Okay, so that was—do you remember the date of that?
September 22nd, yeah.
Okay, okay, so you showed up early, there weren't very many of you, you guys got rushed, the cops were ignoring you and you were getting shoved around and pushed.
That's—that's how the day started off.
Okay, so continue from there.
Yeah, so we were there for what maybe two hours before that. That went on throughout the day with the cops refusing to do their job, us getting assaulted.
Um, went on, yeah, for a couple hours, and eventually the cops started actually splitting up our crowd. They kind of locked a smaller group of us behind, uh, uh, behind the police line with Antifa behind us and the police on the other side and the other side, the rest of our crowd on the other side of the police line.
And, uh, which really isn't right because we were the ones that arranged the protest. We talked to the—as we talked about for months, we announced that we have a crowd there. We don't get—it's not right to shut our side out because a group of violent, uh, violent Antifa showed up and decided to take over the street, but anyway, so be it.
So what good was the liaison?
Absolutely nothing. So why did the charade occur? Why did they even bother with the liaison?
That's a good question. Well, I had bugged the police for two months, um, in fact, I called them before and I’ve organized rallies in Toronto before. They know who I am; they know my name.
Yeah, I bet they do.
I phoned them; they asked who it was. I said Josh Alexander, and they immediately had to transfer the call, and they give me to some, uh, special constable.
And I talked to him, and finally, like after two months of trying to communicate with these, these guys, we get a meeting on the ground the day of, uh, with these liaison officers.
I inform them.
I want the crowd split up. I know that there’s going to be a violent union-supported protest.
Oh, that's right; the unions came out right on the Antifa side, and so did Jagmeet Singh. He marched with Antifa.
Yeah, right; he's such fun.
Yeah, no, when that was on the 20th, but, uh, that day when Jagmeet showed up, he was, uh, making a whole pile of words at me and Nick, and he was making gestures with his hands at us, looking at doing this to us.
Was he?
Yeah, were you terrified?
Not at all. No, I was—it was entertaining.
Yeah, he’s quite the piece of filthy work as far as I'm concerned. Boy, he's got all the faults of Trudeau and none of the virtues, and the virtues of Trudeau is a very short list, that's for sure, so if you have none of them and all the faults, boy, you're quite the piece of work.
Oh yeah, so he was actively engaged with you, was he?
Oh yeah, that’s real heroic. You think a political leader of one of the biggest parties in Canada would have a little bit more, uh, decorum?
Yeah, you might think that, right, if we weren’t led by a bunch of like delusional 13-year-old girls.
Yeah, yeah, it’s quite something to see.
Okay, so, so this protest was quite aggressive right at the beginning, and you guys weren't—you not only were you not experiencing any real police support, you—as far as you're concerned, are actually putting you at a disadvantage.
Absolutely.
Okay, strategically, okay. So what happens to you?
So, uh, I was standing down, uh, kind of behind their lines. I was in the smaller group that was separated, and they would allow—if my group wanted to go back and join my crowd, I could, but they wouldn’t allow anyone else to join me.
So I was just having—there were talking with an—some Antifa—I start sharing the gospel as we always do.
Make a point—it’s regardless of whether you're on my side of the ideological war or on their side, I still want to see everyone there saved.
I don't want to see—I believe absolutely that they're all—every—all of us are sinners, and we all need Jesus.
And so I want to see all of them saved.
So what do you—when you say you're sharing the gospel under those circumstances, what exactly are you doing?
Telling them the truth.
What, okay, how do you do that?
By explaining to them that me, them, you—all of us are sinners destined to an eternity in hell unless we turn to the cross of Jesus and receive his full and free gift of salvation.
We will perish; we’ll pay the wages of our sin. It’s the only hope that there is for this world is Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, his blood is atoning blood.
And so I was sharing that message with them, which really isn’t a message of hate; that’s a message of love. It’s that you’ve wronged the Creator of the universe but he—
Never a good idea.
Never a good idea, but we’ve all done it, and he loves you enough to come down and die for you to pay for your sins, all—and offers you free salvation.
Oh, you're trying to make that case in the midst of this?
Absolutely.
Yeah, so what do you think is the relationship between, let's say, the positive relationship you have with your father and respect for him that you have, perhaps with your mother too, your religious belief, and your political action? As far as you're concerned, how are those things tied together?
Well, I think my political action is based on my moral compass; my moral compass is based on my biblical beliefs, the Bible and the outline that’s there for us.
Okay, okay, okay. So let's go to, to when you get attacked. What happens?
So, uh, yeah, I'm talking with them, and, uh, one of their guys on the front of their line dives out and tries to tackle me, so I kind of push him off.
He's masked—they're all always masked.
The physical ones are always masked; usually, they all are, but if they're physical, they're guaranteed to be masked.
I see, so do you suppose that the people who are masking up like that, like they're planning physical violence and that's why they're wearing the mask, or do you suppose it's the fact that they're masked disinhibits them when they're at the rally?
That and also because I don't think they're proud of what they're standing for. I can go there without a mask on because I’m proud of what I'm standing for.
Yeah, oh yeah, I think the same thing. Like, if you have to show up to your protest in a mask, you’re a narcissistic coward, right? And a dangerous one too, yeah.
And the police should be using that as a marker for true psychopathy, right?
That's absolutely inexcusable.
Okay, so this guy comes after you?
Yeah, so, into the crowd just a little guy tries to tackle me, and, uh, so I'm trying to grapple with him, trying to get him off me.
I have one hand up in the air to show these cops here I'm not assaulting him; I'm being attacked here.
So you're protecting yourself with one hand?
Yeah, well, first went—he as soon as he attacked me, went two hands on him, put him down, trying to get him off me, may have one hand up in the air trying to keep him away with one hand while I'm dealing with this.
Another, uh, assailant literally dives over their line with whether it was a bladed glove, a lot of them were wearing bladed gloves, or a knife or whatever it was.
Tell me exactly what a bladed glove is.
It’s a glove with a blade on the fingers, a blade coming up the hand here and a blade on the thumb, and are those visible from a distance?
Oh yeah.
So the cops don't do anything about that? I don't imagine those are legal weapons.
Uh, I haven't looked into it; I presume they're not legal, but I haven't looked into it, but, uh, no, the cops don’t do anything about that.
Which—and this isn’t a new thing; they’ve been bringing—we’ve had, uh, Antifa bring knives to our events for a long time.
Yeah, so, uh, so, yeah, this guy dives across, and I kind of in my peripheral I see him coming, so I back my head out of most of the hit, and he just grazes across my eye.
You can probably see this gash; there are five or six stitches, I can't remember what it was but.
And how close is that to your eye?
Maybe an inch.
And, uh, oh yeah, that's pushing it.
It's pushing it, yeah, especially, yeah, yeah.
Um, so okay, so you—you’re cut?
Yeah, so I'm cut, I kind of stand up, I—I watch—I can’t see a lot; a lot of blood in my, in my vision. It’s kind of blurry, but what I believe—the cops picked up the guy who attacked me and put him back in his crowd and kind of closed in all around us everywhere.
They picked him up and put him back in the crowd?
They didn’t arrest him.
They didn’t arrest him, and, uh, so I see the cops; everyone’s kind of closing in around me. It’s hard to see, and the cops start ordering me to leave.
Like, no, I was just attacked with a blade; I’m not—I’m going to stand here.
How did they do that exactly? Did their particular officer come up to you? Like how did they order you to leave?
Yeah, well they started out they do want medical attention; I said no, I’m all right; I’ll just keep doing what I’m doing perfectly.
And, and another officer walks up; if you don’t leave, I’m going to arrest you.
So I said, I said I have every right to be here. I’m going to continue standing here and talking.
I’m on a public sidewalk, every right to be there.
And so I continued talking, continued sharing the gospel, uh, to members of the opposing side, and there’s this one girl on the other side that I was talking to, and it was like she almost snapped.
I saw it in her eyes, it was like what I was saying was registering with her.
I don’t know if it was the fact that I just got attacked and covered in blood and I’m still talk— trying—Well, that would add a little more drama.
A little, yeah.
And so it seemed to hit home, so I just kept talking to her, and there’s a veteran beside me we call him Wild Bill.
He’s a, uh, combat veteran, he’s airborne, and, uh, the cops tell him to leave, and he says he’s not leaving my side.
And at this point, he's bleeding too, you see? So what they did is they had an umbrella, and they broke the umbrella off; it had a spear point like that at the end, not an actual spear point but very pointy.
An umbrella, and they basically fabricated it into a spear, and they were trying to stab us with that, and they caught him in the hand—his hand was all bloody from it.
And, uh, so the cops tell him if you don't leave, you're going to be arrested, and he says I'm not leaving.
I don't imagine they were scaring him that much?
No, I think he's seen a lot worse in the Antifa and the Toronto police.
But uh, so yeah, they arrest him, placed him under arrest, and then 30 seconds later placed me under arrest.
And on—did they tell you what the charge was?
Well, that’s a funny thing, so at the time, they told me it was obstruction.
Obstruction of what?
Well, that's a general charge, obstruction of justice. Um, how exactly? I don't know.
And then when I got—when they went to book me into the cell, to the holding cell, they told me it was breach of the peace.
And they told the crowd that it was for assault.
So for assault?
Yeah, so put that together.
Okay, so they trot you off to jail, and so you're wondering what's going on, I presume?
Yeah, I mean I was on the ground here trying to do interviews, and somebody runs up and they tap my shoulder, they tell me that Nick is being assaulted on the wrong side of the line.
And wrong side of the line meaning?
Meaning the police have like excluded him in with the counter protest, and like he was saying, they blocked off certain members of our crowd, and at the time it happened to be him and Wild Bill.
So I run over there, and Wild Bill, he's a character, ridiculous man, you guys—Wild Bill and Billboard Chris and the Alexander Brothers right out there causing trouble.
So yeah, I run over there and I tell the police, I say, "who’s in charge here? Is there a sergeant? I need to talk to somebody.”
Um, and they all just stare blankly over my shoulder, as they always do. And finally, like I have a megaphone, so I just start using that to make it very clear there are cameras, there are reporters all around me, and I'm like, "I need to speak to a, uh, officer in charge."
So finally a sergeant comes up and he starts talking to me and, uh, I tell them, what was the tenor of that conversation again, because we have this weird situation where as far as you guys are concerned the police at least secretly are somewhat predisposed to be positive to you.
And so now you’re putting this guy on the spot because your brother’s arrested. Like how he isn’t even arrested at this point?
This is where I realize that something’s about to happen.
And I go up to him and I tell him, look—the policeman—I tell my—I tell him, look, my brother’s across the line there. I’m the organizer of this event. I’ve been talking to you guys for two months.
You’ve already kind of betrayed us here, and I need to go speak to my brother, so let me open up the line.
Let me go through. If you want to bring an escort, uh, because you're worried I'm going to start agitating, that's fine; do that.
Um, so they refuse that. They say I can't talk to them, um, and they're keeping their line closed.
And why can't you talk to them?
They don’t give an answer; they never do.
But, uh, I—I walk away and I tell them, look, something’s going to happen; you’ve been warned.
Um, and then I start looking for a—even higher officer and looking for my liaison officer, somebody that can pull some strings here and make something happen.
But, uh, anyways, about 10 minutes later, um, as I'm doing my thing, somebody runs up to me again and they're like, Your brother's bleeding.
So I go over there and I see the blood pouring down his face and, uh, I ask the cops what happened.
And, uh, I mean I was pretty mad at the time, but I hadn’t lost my temper; I was still fully under control, and I'm actually still conducting interviews while doing this, and, uh, and then I get a hand reach over from the other side of the police line and, uh, taps me.
And it's Wild Bill, the veteran.
And he hands me his keys and he says, uh, I love you, Josh, but they're arresting me now and I got to go. He says, can you hang on to these for me?
I said, sure.
So I take these and they arrested him on the same kind of charge as they arrested you, I presume despite the fact that he’d been stabbed with an umbrella?
Yeah, yeah, we're both bleeding.
Yeah, bleeding without a permit.
Yeah, yeah, crime.
Right, right. Well, you got a good battle scar out of the deal.
That’s true, yeah.
Right, yeah.
Okay, so, well, yeah.
So he hands me his keys and, uh, I look over at Nick; we make eye contact, and at this point, I know, okay, Nick's being arrested too; I've seen it too many times.
And, uh, so then I see Nick get arrested, um, and, uh, the cops are shouting at me now, and they're yelling that I'm going to be arrested.
I'm not even on the—the other side of the line. I'm on my own side talking to them, asking what's going on.
Um, and anyways, they arrest him; they start—they throw me around. They actually grabbed me and fire me into a young lady while I was talking to them—the police did that.
And, uh, anyways, so what do you mean exactly?
Tell—explain that in detail.
So you're standing there talking to who—the police?
The police.
Yeah?
Okay, then what happens?
And they start to move Wild Bill and Nick towards the Patty wagon.
Again, which is—they have to break through their own line; they have to let—open up their line for the officers to take Bill through.
And, uh, as they, uh, get closer to the Patty wagon, I’m talking to the police and there are some that are just standing around; there are some that are walking with an escort and, uh, anyways, um, one of them just grabs me.
I was wearing, uh, a vest and a dress shirt; he grabs me from the vest and fires me into this young lady.
Um, and, uh, they start shouting at me; they were telling me I was going to be arrested.
Um, why do you think he did that?
They just—I mean a lot of them, they take unnecessary violent measures just because they can't—a few of them enjoy it; like they’ve been—they've been standing here in the sun, uh, with a bunch of crazy counterprotesters screaming in their ear, and uh, they’re frustrated.
They’ve done their crowd training, their riot control, and they just do whatever they want, and there will be no repercussions—and yeah, they know there will be no repercussions; look what happened at the freedom convoy.
Um, anyways, uh, so they do that and, uh, Nick goes in the Patty wagon, and, uh, me and Monty, who was also on the ground, we go running after this Patty wagon.
A bunch of students from the school follow, and, uh, I'm trying to talk to officers, and I'm trying to figure out where the Patty wagon's going, um, whether he's being given medical attention, what’s going on.
Um, so anyways Monty actually—were you worried about him at that point?
Well, yeah, I mean it looked pretty bad at the time; I couldn’t tell.
Faces bleed a lot.
There was a pool of blood on the sidewalk where he was standing.
So he was littering?
Maybe that was the—
J, so, uh, Monty runs all the way down the road after this Patty wagon, all the way to the police station.
He followed it the entire way.
Um, I followed it, uh, right till it was like around the school, and there was a pile of students chasing the Patty wagon and reporters and other police.
And I'm like, okay, Monty's going to follow that; I'm going to go back and talk to the police, try to get charges, try to figure out transportation, get my crowd under control, and give them an update.
And how many people were were there for your protest?
Um, I want to say it was a couple hundred, um.
Like usual?
Uh, there was a large counter-protest, but we definitely outnumbered them.
Wow, you had all those union people there?
Yeah, but we outnumbered them, and then when the students came out for lunch break, it was much bigger.
Um, and, uh, anyways, we, uh, we start running—now was Singh at that protest?
I want to say...
Um, I want to say he was at the—the Million Man March on two days beforehand, okay?
Okay, okay, um, and that one was in Ottawa.
But yeah, we, uh, I start doing interviews. I finally get through to an officer. They refuse to file any of my reports.
Um, I tried to—
Your reports being what?
I tried to make an assault report.
Um, and I tried to, uh, inquire about my family member’s arrest, um, and see where he was being held because I was his only point of contact at the time, and, uh, yeah, they—they refused to talk to me, um, and, uh, so that went on for a while until I just—I wouldn't give up.
I kept following them, and I have a megaphone too and a whole pile of students that, uh, are, uh, echoing whatever I say.
So, uh, there we, uh, we’re just, yeah, it was hard; it was impossible. So finally, um, after they have all these cameras on them, they know it’s a really bad scene, and, uh, they finally send me another officer, and they give me his, uh, where he's being held and what he's being charged for, and they told me—they told me it was breach of the peace and assault.
Um, so anyways, I, uh, I just, uh, went about—I addressed the crowd again and, uh, we tried to visit him at the station after the event was over, um, and I got on the—well first, as we were walking up the steps to the, uh, the stairs of the police station, the security guard locks the doors on us, on the—the station that's open 24/7.
Uh, so there’s a help number on the door, and I call that, and it’s on camera; they hung up on me.
Um, and then they refused to answer any of my other calls, and, uh, so then after waiting for about half an hour, I get another call from a police officer and they’re like, YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE STATION BUT WE CAN PUT YOU ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR BROTHER FOR A BIT.
And we got to talk on the phone, and it turned out he was at, at the hospital, and they dropped his charges.
So you never were charged with anything?
No, they dropped the charges, yeah, in the hospital.
Well, they—so they kept me—they took me, uh, like I was bleeding a lot. They had me in the Patty wagon for about two hours, uh, and appar—right when I got to the precinct, uh, I heard a couple of officers talking outside the door, and they said that the ambulance is here; they want to check me out, but they wouldn’t let the medics in for about an hour and a half before finally they took me out.
Okay, so, oh, so that actually answers a question I had because I thought, well, you know, you want to give the devil his due every time you can.
I thought, well maybe they bundled you away from the protest because you were bleeding.
Oh, no, no, not at all, no way.
That’s—well the fact that they had the medics like detained away from you for 90 minutes seems to indicate that medical treatment on your behalf was not the reason, right?
Yeah, and the paramedic, so, uh, yeah, they, after about an hour and a half of waiting, maybe even longer, uh, the paramedic—they take me out to the ambulance; they go in the ambulance; I'm still handcuffed in there.
Uh, and the paramedics look at me and go, "Oh wow, you're going to need stitches; we have to get him to the hospital,” and at the—still, it isn't like—it’s still bleeding because there’s a lot of blood—a lot of blood loss.
And, uh, so the paramedics wanted to take me to the hospital in the ambulance, and the cop said, “No, that's not—we'll take him in a cruiser later.”
So they take me out, um, yeah, they take me out, put me back in the Patty wagon, leave me in there.
So they refused to let you go in the ambulance?
Refused, yeah.
Wow, I guess it was too big of a threat to, uh, society to have me—
Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
So, uh, yeah, they take me back to the to the Patty wagon, put me back in there; I'm in there for maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes before they take me, check me in, put me in a cell.
Uh, I was in the cell for a little under an hour.
Had you been in a cell before?
No, I’ve been—I’ve been arrested before, but always—
Whole new thing?
Jail food is not good. They take your shoelaces; they—yeah, no, no, I was wearing cowboy boots.
They checked—they said taking shoelaces, and then there's where they saw my boots and they said they don’t need to take them.
So I guess they would have been in suicide watch too, but yeah.
Uh, so yeah, that was it. I was in the cell, uh, a little under an hour probably.
So what are you thinking when you're in the cell?
When am I getting out of here?
Yeah, I was hungry; I was quite hungry actually.
Um, so yeah, after—upset or worried?
No, I wasn't worried, no.
Why not?
I didn’t have—like what's the worst that's going to happen? I'm going to be locked up for a few weeks before a court date, and at best I'm going to be let out in a few hours with charges dropped.
And I know I didn’t do anything wrong, so I'm hoping there's still a little bit of hope left for a justice system that would be let out.
No charges?
Questionable; it’s quite corrupt, it’s quite corrupt from the top.
But yeah, it’s quite corrupt all the way through, all the way through.
Yeah, I guess if you get a good judge, you can be lucky, but—
So anyways, they took me after all that time; they put me in a cruiser and took me to the hospital, escorted me into the, uh, into the hospital.
I’m still handcuffed; I’m covered in blood.
So walk into a—emerge, and like people are starting to freak out, I guess, still handcuffed?
Yeah, I guess they thought I'm a murderer, right?
A guy walks in covered in blood, in handcuffs, and police escort behind him, and the, uh, receptionist says, “you’re going to have to put a mask on.”
So I look—I look, I say, I'm not going to do that.
They—and they said, no, no, you have to put a mask on; it's policy.
I said, what are you going to do? Call the cops?
Good, you said that.
Oh, good man; that made the whole day worth it.
Well, just to be able to say that, and so, uh, the cop beside me just starts laughing.
That’s good, man, that’s really funny.
And so they let me through; they took me, uh, took me—I sat down.
I can't believe they told you to put a mask on; that’s So Perfect.
It’s like it was orchestrated, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that must have made your day.
I was—it was quite comedic, yes.
Yeah, yeah, oh my God.
Okay, okay, so let's go back a bit here to your parents.
So while all these protests and so forth are unfolding, both your mom and dad now, they've been suspended.
Okay, now were they—they were—were they suspended with pay or without pay?
Well, they were suspended with pay, um, and then they were basically told that they have to abide by the, uh, by what they, basically have to, um, comply with measures that don't go along with their religious beliefs; it’s wrong; it’s harming kids.
So in your mother’s case, exactly what does that mean?
So someone here, someone puts a pride flag on the door of her kindergarten class; she takes it down.
Okay, what is she supposed to abide by, exactly?
She supposed to put up a pride flag? Like, what the hell?
What’s exactly the issue here? What’s she supposed to do?
I guess she’s supposed to publicly advertise sodomy on her kindergarten classroom door, um, and, uh, she’s not going to do that.
Um, and, uh, anyways they basically said that, uh—I don’t even know; they probably pulled up a bunch of different policies and they told them you have to abide by these things, and it’s all woke, uh, radical left ideology, um, it’s being forced on kids, which is exactly what I’m fighting and why I’ve been kicked out of school for over 10 months now.
And, uh, yeah, so, um, well you’re getting an education.
Oh yeah, much better than I was at school, but definitely, um, but yeah, I’ve been kicked out since, uh, last November of 2022. So and what’s the rationale for—I’ll get back to your parents, but what’s the rationale for your continued suspension exactly?
I mean, that’s a big—that’s a long suspension.
I don’t know what you’d have to do on the juvenile delinquent side to warrant that sort of suspension, but it would have to be something pretty damn serious.
Maybe you’d have to knock a teacher unconscious with a metal chair, for example, like happened last week in the US, though I doubt if they would suspend that student for 10 months.
I guess we’ll see.
So what’s the rationale for keeping you out of school?
And this is a Catholic school; it makes it even more blackly comical as far as I'm concerned.
You think they might be on the side of the, you know, the Scriptures?
You might think so.
That was what I thought; like I'm personally not Catholic; I'm a born-again Christian, but going into the Catholic board, I would have assumed that they would, um, maybe sympathize with my views a little more than they did.
But, um, we get in there, and actually it was on one of my first days in the school.
This wasn’t why I was kicked out, but this was kind of where I realized that, wow, this is not a very biblically-based school when my math teacher started saying that creation was a myth and it was all hypothetical in the Bible, and he started saying the entire Bible is hypothetical.
And, uh, so I challenged him on that a bit.
But, uh, as opposed to the unalienable truths of woke doctrine, exactly.
So he, uh, anyways, that teacher ended up being the one—the teacher whose classroom, um, the debate broke out where I actually got kicked out for an extended period of time.
And, uh, it was because, um, he was shouting at me, like I was in a classroom of 30 students, I'm in the back right corner, and I have all these students turned around their desks and the teacher just shouting at me.
And, uh, what did you do to provoke him?
Um, so the students beside me started asking about an interaction that had happened earlier in the day because I had been called to the office and whatnot because I challenged my, uh, law teacher where she was talking about how, um, students can be whatever gender they want and all that, and I challenged my law teacher on that.
And that was something that me and that teacher—uh, we would respectfully go back and forth like non-stop, um, from the very first day I was there, the first five minutes I was in her class.
Um, she went on to say that the freedom convoy was unlawful before it had even gone through the court.
So we—we started, that was the first one, and it just went on every single day.
We’d go back and forth, and it was always polite and it was always fun, but we never agreed on anything.
And, uh, anyways, um, some students heard that there was quite a controversial debate in her, uh, class the other day or the other morning, and they wanted to, uh, hear what happened.
So these students are asking me questions; I'm answering them, giving my opinions on it.
Um, and, uh, the teacher gets involved in it, and long story short, he says that, um, there’s like 73 genders or something and, uh, it’s a spectrum and we can be whatever we want to be, and I should explore myself, and males can breastfeed children and all sorts of just crazy stuff.
And at the, at that statement that males can breastfeed children, I responded to that and said, uh, that's pedophilia.
And this is where it got really awkward, and the debate kind of started to turn.
Um, he said, "What do you mean that's pedophilia?" and I had to explain to my entire math class that my math teacher was, um, defending and promoting grown men forcing a baby to suck on their nipples.
And I'm, I’m in the math class, so this is it’s completely ridiculous, and it’s a pretty awkward topic to be having with all these students watching.
Anyways, um, he starts to get like really agitated because now I’ve used a fairly strong term, um, and he’s, uh, he tells me that, uh, I'm just really not tolerant and I need to be more thoughtful of my surroundings.
I—I don't think tolerance is a virtue; it's the virtue of those without morals, right?
And, uh, so I don't believe in tolerance, um, at least not to the level that it’s at today.
Um, but, uh, anyways, I, uh, I ended up quoting Mark 10:6, um, in response to a student who I’ve now learned after the fact identifies differently, um, stood up at their chair, pointing their finger at me, like walking towards me, shouting in math class, um, saying that I need to be more open-minded and people can be whatever they want to be.
What’s the Mark 10:6?
I said God created them male and female, it’s not simple.
And, uh, I said look, I don’t have a problem with you identifying differently or anybody, but that’s up to them.
The board should not be pushing that; teachers should not be promoting this stuff in their classes and lying to their students; it’s harming children.
And, uh, I said you have your right to do whatever you want to do in private, but don’t bring it up with students here.
And it certainly doesn't change biology in reality.
Um, anyways, that was it; that was the, uh, that was the, uh, verse that got me—I got kicked out, and they said that I was bullying that student by saying that.
Um, oh yeah, and, uh, yeah, so that allegation has, uh, been going on for 10 months now.
Okay, and what's the rationale for the duration of punishment?
I guess you haven't learned your lesson is that—
So actually, at this point, they know that they can’t justify kicking me out for 10 months, um, so what they did is, uh, they suspended me for in indefinitely.
They called it to an end after 20 days and said, look, Josh can return to school if he abides by, um, our conditions, and their conditions were that I was—I would, uh, be banned from math class, I would be banned from religion class, um, and I wasn’t allowed to speak to any students who identified, um, as something other than what they were born as, and, uh, a bunch of other smaller conditions, none of which I agreed to.
Um, I said look, I've done nothing wrong.
I’m—oh, so it’s on you now is it? Because you're not abiding by the rules?
Yeah, so I said I've stated my religious belief. This is a Catholic school.
If you don’t agree with my stance on biology, let’s open up your Bible.
You claim to hold the word of God, um, as, as the supreme text.
Uh, in your—uh, in your own, um, statement of belief.
And, uh, so I said let’s open up the Bible.
I said—and he said, well, we can’t do that without priests and bishops and stuff here.
I said, bring them all—bring them all.
I said we will open a Bible.
I said bring them all; I said we can have a whole conference meeting if you want.
And I said we can do it Monday, and he said no, we’re busy.
Then Tuesday, Wednesday, and we went through an entire week, and he wasn’t busy once or he wasn’t available once apparently.
And I said okay, well, I’ve offered. The offer still stands; I’m happy to—this day I'm happy to open up the, uh, the Bible and argue with these, um, heretics.
But, uh, anyways, I, uh, they refused to take me up on that offer, um, and, uh, so they kicked me out.
I, uh, then got in contact with Liberty Coalition Canada and they provided me a lawyer, James Kitchen, um, and we went back and forth for a while, um, just with the school board’s lawyers in mine, and, uh, they said that, uh, because I refused to abide by their conditions of return, I’d be excluded.
Yeah, I see.
Um, I see.
Okay, I—so, what are you doing to salvage your education?
Uh, your credentialed education, let's say, at—
Yeah at this point, um, for credential education, all I can do is, uh, well, I suppose I could withdraw from the school and try to enroll at another school and we all know that wouldn't?
Yeah, I wouldn’t go. That wouldn’t go very well.
Um, you could do it though.
I could; I’ve considered moving strategically, but, uh, I’m fighting against the board right now, and I— we went to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on whether I had standing to appeal all the decisions made against me, and I won.
Wow, wow, that's good news.
Um, yeah, it was a, uh, it was a, uh—how are the legal bills going?
Um, so that one—uh, that one obviously paid for self because we won, but, uh, like I said, Liberty Coalition Canada supports me, and, uh, so they cover all the costs on that